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Hello everybody

As part of the process optimization within my company (and incidentally the writing of a professional thesis at CESI), I am looking for a (or a range of) software (s) that allow to model a digital model of execution from an IFC import of architectural mock-up + fluid architecture.

We are in timber construction. The structure adapts to fluids.

The objective would be to have a very high level of detail (up to the assembly bolt for example) without excessive parameterization.

The goal is to extract a shopping list for orders, but not only for wood. Typically software such as Cadwork / Dietrich but which can integrate equipment / finishes: lighting, electrical outlets, wall studs, joinery, etc.

The bonuses:
Possibility of structure / link study with structure study software
Study price
Extraction of execution deliverables

I know that the Autodesk suite is efficient on the subject but I would like to detail the several solutions that exist, and especially simplify maximum software usage.

Hexabim users are resourceful and will surely think of solutions that I haven't explored :)

Thanks everyone for your help!
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Hello,

From what I understand, you want to achieve the most detailed nomenclature possible by limiting the number of parameters.
In addition, you want to have a mockup that is as detailed as possible, visually speaking.

Am I wrong ?

I try to understand what you want to be sure to send you the most appropriate answers.
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Hello Emmanuel,


The objective would be to have a very high level of detail (...) without excessive configuration.


A complex problem is rarely resolved simply. As such, it seems opportune to move towards an ergonomic solution. Could you tell us what solutions you have already tested as well as your criticisms of them? Your experience is undoubtedly of interest to Hexabim readers! Completing your approach will also be all the easier.

Christophe Fortineau
Consultant, trainer and AMO BIM
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Thank you for your answers !
Indeed, a complex problem is solved with a lot of work and reflection, to provide a simple solution. That's why even since I asked you the question, the process is still evolving.

Thanks to the research that I am carrying out, and my desire to promote open-BIM, I am orienting our process towards the use of a federated model in IFC, in connection with a central database.

In short, what open BIM advocates in itself: the superposition of IFC models of all trades to arrive at a complete execution model.
However, the link with the external database preserves the integrity of the data and avoids random re-entries, via a single parameter identifying the data present in the database.

Thus, the question of finding a modeling software that corresponds to my basic question no longer arises: the structural model is suitable, in connection with the other models.

I still need to finish benchmarking the BOM export solutions from a model federated in IFC; as well as export of execution plans and details.

Benchmark:
Autodesk
DeviSOC
Abvent
Cype Ingenieros
Cadwork (personal knowledge, upcoming interview - EAV)
Dietrich (EAV)
SEMA (EAV)
Nemetschek (EAV)
Dassault - CATIA + Solidworks (EAV)

Still in research:
TEKLA
...

I will avoid making a 3km long pavement ...

In addition, I also look at solutions around the database, which is still quite a subject. Excel is powerful but not particularly suitable - and I know that in this field there are professionals much sharper than me. ;)

This remains to be refined, and is only the first phase of a much longer process, so I remain open to any comments and available to answer you.

Thanks again,

Emmanuel Cadart.
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I specify that we intervene at the level of the conception as of the realization, which justifies the establishment of this type of process!
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Emmanuel,

You are honored by your interest in openBIM, I myself find it difficult to promote this approach here on this forum which is nevertheless dedicated to it.

However, you seem to underestimate a major fact: all BIM digital model editing software does not have the same level of mastery of exporting and importing or even IFC and BCF formats. The quality of the BIM deliverables and therefore of the IFCs can therefore vary (see the role of the ODA in this crucial step).

We do not build a building with one or more IFC models but with 2D deliverables generated via the BIM model from a proprietary environment. The ergonomics and flexibility allowing this delicate and yet essential link to be preserved cannot be compared from one software to another. To get to the bottom of it, you have to experience several solutions.

Also mention you in your Abvent list. It is a distributor of various software solutions. Apart from Bimoffice it seems to me that Abvent does not develop a BIM software solution. Archicad is developed by Graphisoft of which Abvent is only a distributor but also the translator of the French version.

At your disposal for any additional information.


Christophe FORTINEAU
Consultant, trainer and AMO BIM
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I agree with you.

However, I will continue my research to find a solution that suits me, and will also give feedback via LinkedIn or on the same platform.

Thank you for your attention and your responses.
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Archiframe is being translated for an upcoming release in France, Belgium, Luxembourg and Switzerland. To watch out for. It is one of the most popular solutions in Europe in the field of timber framing designed in BIM. Good research !

https://www.archiframe.fi/en/in-brief
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Hello everyone,

I allow myself to contribute to this discussion by sharing with you my humble experience with software for the variation of wooden frame models. There is the AgaCAD solution or what is called in the market TOOLS4BIM which I find practically complete even if there are gaps in certain functionalities which are being improved and on which I give AgaCAD regular feedback to stick to it. account in the next updates.
Basically, the T4Bim Wood Framing suite offers a wide range of options to decline a wood frame model: definition of the main frame, secondary frame, T / L junctions, addition of spacers, 'additional elements and passage of electric wires through the framework, etc. It can also be used for all types of plates (BA, OSB, etc.) by defining the constraints of horizontal and / or vertical layout and standard dimensions of plates. Afterwards, when the model is finished, the model can be shared with the HVAC / MEP engineer so that he can integrate his networks and afterwards make the reservations thanks to the Cut Opening tool of AgaCAD which is based on the clash report of Revit. Currently, this tool supports all categories of Revit (except Parts).
When the model is finished, we can output .btl files (for cutting wood) and files (.wup) for nailing the plates which will then be used by the CNC machines in the factory.
All this process that I explained concerns a Revit model and I would like it to be transposed to an openBIM (.ifc) model in the future. This Lithuanian box was bought by Arkance Systems which is French and I am going to push the subject of the openbim and put it on the table with them because it seems interesting to me to use such a tool in the treatment of .ifc models.
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