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  Wednesday February 10 2016
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Hello,
More and more calls for tenders will require the integration of a BIM MANAGER in the project management team. If the bim manager presents himself as a self-employed person, what should be the possible legal status (s) and should he and how to be insured?
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Before even asking the question, it will be necessary to establish whether the BIM context is contractual. Which is still not concretely in France.

Making a BIP plan is only a guide today and not a contract with what it would entail.

If this is external, why not add it to the contract with its own insurance, for example?
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Excellent subject, I join you to know a little more about insurance!
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The BIM mission does not exist within the meaning of the MOP law (to come perhaps ..).
Personally, being independent, the mission of BIM management is formalized in the form of an order for services.
In terms of insurance, nothing special insofar as all the data is recoverable either on a backup or on a cloud, at worst among stakeholders.
As the BIM manager is not directly responsible for the execution of the project, I do not see what type of insurance, apart from data loss, he could take out.
The problem is to quantify the mission within the framework of the MOP law
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Hello,

The bim manager can intervene at different sentences from Sketch to Exe.
Apart from the production of documents aiming to determine the rules around the digital model to allow collaboration between the different stakeholders, if he intervenes in a model review he is supposed to:
ensure, for example, the geo-referencing of the project
identify conflicts between the different models
In the event of non-compliance with its prescriptions, its responsibility cannot be called into question, nevertheless in the event of omission, misinterpretation, poor transmission of data who will bear the hat?
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Hello,

We must first look at who today assumes these responsibilities.
The BIM Manager brings a plus to the project management, which for the moment is responsible.
In addition, what is the APE code of an independent BIM Manager?
It is above that the insurance will cover the profession!
IT .... no construction insurance.
BTP ...... no IT insurance.
Dilemma
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Hello,

I think that for the moment the best solution is to respond in subcontracting either of the project management or the project management so that it is it, in the event of conflict, which makes work its insurance It is what happened during my mission to review the model on an operation of 10 M² of offices for Bouygues. However, faced with the multiplication of future demands, the question of the status and responsibilities for self-employed workers may arise. I made a request to the MAF which for the moment did not answer me and another near the order which asks to answer as architect. Indeed, the model review mission is similar to a summary mission which instead of being done on the site is done upstream, it requires the same business skills, plus knowledge related to new tools: server, BIM modeling, BIM review tools,
Who will pay for this mission of pre-synthesis, synthesis, reattachment?
And who are we going to call?
to the architect?
to design offices?
to specialists linked to the project management or external?
Do we not risk with BIM to assist if we are not careful with the possibility of setting aside the architect from the BIM process to a new bursting of his mission?
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Hello,

for me, the BIM Manager is only a consultant. Each company is free to follow its recommendations or not.
Each company is responsible for its studies and assembly. In the event of a conflict, the project management is the sole decision-maker.

The BIM Manager of the project is not there to replace or complete the role of the synthesis, he is there to monitor the good performance of the model and establish the rules defining its use.
If he must ensure a task of coordination of the batches, it is no longer a mission of BIM Manager but a mission of synthesis with the responsibilities which fall to it.

;)
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Hello,

If he must ensure a task of coordination of the batches, it is no longer a mission of BIM Manager but a mission of synthesis with the responsibilities which fall to it.

Reply :

With the mastery and complexity of the implementation of the tool, this task of synthesis naturally risks falling to it.
To be continued...
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under the responsibility of the architect, project manager authorized to issue the visas !!
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Hello,

If he must ensure a task of coordination of the batches, it is no longer a mission of BIM Manager but a mission of synthesis with the responsibilities which fall to it.


With the mastery and complexity of the implementation of the tool, this task of synthesis naturally risks falling to it.
To be continued...


Reply :

I absolutely agree with Christophe Koroma,
If the tools and parameters of shared projects are well put in place from the start, the synthesis mission will be doomed to disappear ...
So the responsibility will remain with the MOE or MOA ... But between you and me it is often the MOE who must assume for his MOA ....
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Hi all...

I speak from personal experience ...
Whatever the theory, let's make way for the practice:
If a work collapses and the whole of the EOM is condemned "in solidum" (to pay in a solidarity manner), no one is immune ... The priority of Justice is to compensate the victims , let's not forget!
Even as a subcontractor, if your client decides he can turn to you to take part of the responsibilities, which means that you are not immune!
To my knowledge, today the only way to be truly insured is to be insured for BIM management missions specifically, which is offered by MAF (architects) or EuroMaf (Engineers).
I invite you to be careful, we must remember the cases of condemnation in other areas that have spared NOBODY!
I hope that we will soon be able to practice a little more serenely, in the meantime, above all, pay attention to the drafting of your subcontracts (especially NO DESIGN!), And to ensure you with insurance that covers the specific profession if you are co-contracting!

I have a few specific examples, but I don't mean to slander ...

FG Perraudin
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Hello,

I allow myself to add my experience.BIM Manager for 5 years, I have experienced different roles and different contractual organizations (external, internal BE, MOE design realization, AMO BIM etc.) and in different companies


At the legal level (MOP law), we have no responsibility, our job does not exist (yet), unless the role of BIM Manager is taken by a speaker who has a role.
eg: an architectural firm with the role of BIM Manager will obviously retain its obligations as an architect.
A synthesis BE with the role of BIM Manager retains his obligations with respect to the synthesis etc.



On the other hand, we have a role vis-à-vis our client (MOA / MOE / a BE etc.) which therefore depends on our contract. This must therefore be precise on the responsibilities assumed by the BIM Manager.

Since I consider my work as a quality process, my work as well as the contracts are made in this sense. I therefore have an obligation of means or advice. Regarding the results, involving the customer makes it possible to avoid a lot of problems (cf. Agile method).


ex: If I see a technical or architectural aberration ex: a clash / a room without a door / etc. My role is to indicate it but if the person in charge (MOA or MOE) persists, he has the last word.
If a worker persists in not wanting to accept my correction requests, I indicate this to my manager (MOA, MOE, internal manager, etc.), decide and possibly sanction.


So from an insurance point of view, I think the liability is limited.


Particular case:
- during a call for tenders, a ten-year can be requested by the MOA, in this case, we have the contract carried by a structure which has one and in this case, the BE BIM is a subcontractor.

- non-delivery of deliverables eg: compilations, convention, audits, training, etc. If deliverables are requested in the contract, they are of course due.

cordialement,
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If the tools and parameters of shared projects are put in place from the start, the synthesis mission will be doomed to disappear ...


We must not make the amalgamation between a technical synthesis and BIM management. Clash detection is a tool for synthesis, but it is very limited. It allows to rough geometric approaches only. The technical summary includes many other points that cannot be managed at this time by the tool: respect for deviations / segregation of systems, possibility of fitting and removing equipment, ergonomics of intervention, respect for traffic, rules of move-in security, etc.

It is a function that requires significant business experience and specific management far from BIM management.
To be effective, BIM must be integrated into a synthesis unit (Archi or BE) and at the service of the latter, but it must limit its field of action to respecting the flow of exchanges, maintaining the quality of the data. as well as its availability to actors, to digital reporting, but not to replace or encroach on the technical summary.

This is not ready to disappear at the risk of losing quality projects.
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Bonjour.
If I am not mistaken, the MOP law was replaced by the Public Order Code:
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/texte_lc/LEGITEXT000037701019/
And after a "BIM" search in the 508 pages => 0 results! :?
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