HEXABIM the Podcast (Ep6): Revit and Architecture, an educational approach with Pierre and Julie
In this new episode of our podcast series, HEXABIM is pleased to present two authors, Julie guezo et Pierre Navarra, around two works: My first architecture project with Revit et Revit for architects, published respectively in 2020 and 2018 by Eyrolles editions. Two books for two levels of Revit practice, both educational and comprehensive.
The podcast will begin with a presentation of the respective backgrounds of the authors, then we will learn more about the content of the two books, the audience they are aimed at and how to use them to make them allies in achieving their goals with Revit.
As teachers, Julie Guézo and Pierre Navarra will tackle the subject of fundamental lessons in schooling.
We will also share their keys to success in BIM as well as their findings on the practice of BIM in France.
Do not hesitate to react in comments, excellent listening to all!
Presentation of Pierre Navarra's career (1'52)
Pierre Navarra, trained as a microelectronics engineer, has been co-manager of the architectural firm Sona since 2014 and participates in the search for new tools in the field of BIM. He is a trainer at the Aimé Césaire high school in Clisson (44) in the construction economics license and design office license classes.
Presentation of Julie Guézo's career (2'39)
Julie Guézo has been an architect and BIM manager at AIA Life Designers since 2016. She has been a Revit trainer since 2014 at the School of Architecture and Design in Nantes, at Aimé Césaire high school in Clisson and at GepAtlantique in Nantes.
Pierre, Julie, you co-wrote these two books, qhat is their content and who are they aimed at? (3'05)
Julie Guézo: « My first architecture project with Revit, was released in 2020 and is 72 pages long. It is intended for anyone wishing to learn about Revit.
It's fun, easy, and allows you to model a small house iconic of Dutch architecture in just seven steps. We've also added videos at the start of each chapter to help you understand each of these seven steps. (...) "
« Revit for architects is 500 pages long, it is more complete. It is useful in daily practice in an agency to answer questions encountered during a project.
On the basis of a project development in different phases, from the sketch to the site monitoring, we explained all the tips, good practices from our relative experiences.
The methods presented are suitable for agencies of different sizes and for various projects: individual houses, collective housing, high schools, hospitals, offices, etc. It is intended for architects, but it can also satisfy a wider public who can come and draw information according to their needs. (...) "
How to make a successful transition to BIM? What are the keys to success in BIM? (5'19)
Julie Guézo: “(…) You have to be accompanied. In my opinion, a successful transition to BIM in an agency is a multiplication of factors favorable to change.
So, first of all, initial training is essential to give the first impetus.
Moreover, if several people can follow it at the same time, it is very effective in creating a dynamic.
Then, within the company, the secret of success is a committed management and convinced and motivating employees. Certainly, some people can be BIM referents within the agency, but everyone must be convinced of this. BIM is an asset, whatever the size of the agency and whatever the type of project. (...) "
What about BIM training in France today? (7'58)
Pierre Navarra: “As a BIM trainer at Lycée Aimé-Césaire, what I see are classes that are filled out for both courses each year.
This is a good thing, it is always full.
Then we have students who come from a wide variety of backgrounds. This greatly enriches the field of collaborative BIM, both in terms of professional knowledge and personal knowledge.
Indeed, people have a very important place in the field of collaborative BIM and all the richness of the profiles of these students is important for the future. (...) "
Shouldn't there be an evolution in the school curricula, in particular before the 3rd year, in geometry and conceptualization of space and and volumes? (9'25)
Pierre Navarra: “(…) I'm afraid that in fact, we forget everything that is language. Let me give you an example: Often times I have students who, for example, send me requests about very complicated scripts written on Dynamo, including programming on Python, in Dynamo nodes.
The problem is that they may have a very high notion of computer science, with questions of the order of Revit, geometry, etc. The problem is, they are unable to formulate a correct question. (…) I have the impression that on this side, we are in decline. (...) "
Julie Guézo: “In education, I think it would be interesting to put more emphasis on communication and transversality between disciplines. I really liked, in my architecture studies, the quality and the diversity of the lessons that were offered, however, I would have liked them to be compared more with each other. Indeed, I think that what makes the richness of an architectural project is the multiplication of constraints and the crossing of disciplines.
And this is what BIM highlights: collaborative processes, methods between disciplines. (...) "
What is your vision for BIM for the next few years? (11'26)
Pierre Navarra: “We have just discussed the importance of the human parameter, which is very strong in the growth of BIM in companies.
You have to accept to change and it takes time to convince. We get there with successful experiences and a change in habits that is deeply rooted in our community. I hope BIM will continue to develop and develop well.
However, I have the impression that there is a slight sag or a slight settlement. (...) "
Julie Guézo: “(…) Today, it is true that things are changing very quickly and the BIM process has become, for many, a daily working method.
We are witnessing a real digital transition that is underway with a growing enthusiasm of the people who practice it, initial and continuing training more and more complete. But also: a community of professionals which is being built, which is growing and more and more interested players. (...) "